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#13 PR: Did Kmtyw 'Blacks' Revolt against the Greeks in the Ptolemaic Period of Kemet?

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This data examines the kmtyw Black revolutionary Nswt Bity Hor Wn Nfr and his brave son leading a 20-year revolt against the foreign Ptolemaic Dynasty. The Kmtyw of the Nile Valley united with other kmtjw Blacks from Upper Kemet which includes Sudan Nubia tA Setj and controlled the entire Southern regions. The Ptolemies captured these Kmtyw rebels and their family member was sold on a Greek slave block, her name was 'Thassius', and she was a Kemtyw- Black, Dark skinned Nile Vally African. The Greeks described her as a 'Dark Skinned' Egyptian. Here is the most amazing war story.


*Note: My Pronunciation of the Greek name Ptolemy and Why?

As a historical linguist with over 100 hours of formal training from VLC and the University of Leiden courses, its simply NO correct pronunciation of the name -Ptolemy-, see: https://www.bing.com/search?q=UK+English+pronounciation+of+Ptolemy++%5Bt%C9%92l%C9%99mi%5D&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&lq=0&pq=uk+english+pronounciation+of+ptolemy++%5Bt%C9%92l%C9%99mi%5D&sc=0-46&sk=&cvid=42616EBC7D744FA18AA43D7CDF194E18&ghsh=0&ghacc=0&ghpl=

Pronunciation strictly depends on dialect variants of English, different language speakers, and also regional accents. There are many ways to pronounce his name in the different varieties and dialects of English, as a linguist I will name a few including the Greek and Egyptian variants to shed light on the fact that it's no correct pronunciation. I specifically pronounce it -pa'täləmē- for I'm an AAVE/Black English speaker and simply pronounce words differently.

Actually, Black English speakers would have the most historically accurate pronunciation of -Ptolemy- for it's closer to the original in Greek (Reconstructed) and Egyptian in which both Greek and Egyptian include the -[p]- sound, while standard U.S English speakers have dropped the -[p]-sounds like the Chinese. Oh, yes, Black English is actually an AUTHENTIC and recognized dialect of standard U.S English similar to other African dialects of English, like Jamaican, Creole, Gullah, and Black English (Speakers from Baltimore, Georgia, Memphis, Florida, New Orleans, Banton Rouge Philadelphia, D.C,). Here is the source that can update you on Black English https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....African-American_Ver

US English (drops the -[p]-)
ˈ[täləmē]
a) The standard way to pronounce it in standard American English is [ˈtäləmē] where the [p] is eradicated, and the first vowel is actually a long /ä/ sound, source: https://www.bing.com/search?q=define+Ptolemy&form=DCTRQR

UK English (drops the -[p]-)
[tɒləmi]
b) Another way to pronounce Ptolemy is [tɒləmi], here, the [p] is eradicated the vowel is /ɒ/, this pronunciation can be observed here
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Ptolemy

Black English (keeps the -[p]-)
[pa'täləmē]
c) The way we pronounce it in the Black English dialect is the more accurate for it corresponds with the Egyptian and Greek usages, I will supply the original Greek pronunciation, in Greek which the name is derived from the p is actually pronounced. Let's examine:


Ancient Greek (Keeps the -[p]-)
Attic Greek
[pto.leˈmɛ.os]
source: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki..../%CE%A0%CF%84%CE%BF%

Byzantine Greek (Keeps the -[p]-)
pto.leˈme.os
Source: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki..../%CE%A0%CF%84%CE%BF%

In Arabic, they don't even use the -[p]- sound they actually use the -[b]- sound and it's NOT eradicated as in U.S English

Arabic (Keeps the b sound) [p] - [b]
[baṭlamiyūs]
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki..../%CE%A0%CF%84%CE%BF%

The reconstructed Egyptian Pronunciation is with the [p], AAVE/Black English pronunciation is close to the reconstructed Greek original of the [p] being pronounced, and close to the Egyptian reconstructed pronunciation as [pɛtuːɑruːmiːs]

Egyptian (Includes the [p])
[pɛtuːɑruːmiːs]
source: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki..../ptw%EA%9C%A3rwmys#E

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Kwadwo Tòkunbọ̀
Kwadwo Tòkunbọ̀ 11 months ago

Great work!

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Kedika: The Peer Review Science Channel

dwA u

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T. Y. Adodo
T. Y. Adodo 11 months ago

Yo this is crazy, I actually co-wrote a paper on the revolt in Thebes

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Kedika: The Peer Review Science Channel

The Ptolmaic text I referenced literally have a description of a Egyptian girl being sold to a Syrian slave trader and the Ptolemies describe her as 'Black'

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T. Y. Adodo
T. Y. Adodo 11 months ago

@Kedika: The Peer Review Science Channel : Yes, I'm aware of the text, I came across it in a class way back

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T. Y. Adodo
T. Y. Adodo 11 months ago

@Kedika: The Peer Review Science Channel : Re: co-authored paper, we systematically illustrate that the Ptolemaic period should not count as a "dynasty" but as a settler-colonial period (Think South Africa in Mzansi)

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Kedika: The Peer Review Science Channel

@Mentuhotep_2K19: Thats well known, Do you have the original text and what word the Ptolemies used in the slave text to describe the Egyptian as 'dark skin' ?

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T. Y. Adodo
T. Y. Adodo 11 months ago

@Kedika: The Peer Review Science Channel : I would have to check the Greek, but the literal term used for "black complexion" is melangchroes"'

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Kedika: The Peer Review Science Channel

@Mentuhotep_2K19: There are other terms used for Black in Greek and not just < melangchroes >, I'm looking for the exact and not a guess, since you stated you was familiar, I asked what was the exact name used in the original text. I appreciate it.

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Kedika: The Peer Review Science Channel

@Mentuhotep_2K19: To assist you, its Text 7- Text 7 SB XX 14659 (= R.Scholl, Corpus der ptolemäischen Sklaventexte [Stuttgart 1990], 9). 7 January 197 BC

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Kedika: The Peer Review Science Channel

@Mentuhotep_2K19: Im aware of all the dynasties, periods, etc... that was the first class in my Egyptology course at University of Penn (8 hours certification) and Ancient Egypt and African prehistory is part of my electives for my History degree.

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T. Y. Adodo
T. Y. Adodo 11 months ago

@Kedika: The Peer Review Science Channel : You are correct, it's the common term I mean, usually I see *melas* compounded with something. But that specific text I did not. Thank you for sending me the exact source.

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T. Y. Adodo
T. Y. Adodo 11 months ago

@Kedika: The Peer Review Science Channel : In fact, there's a text of a legal proceedings that mentions "Egyptian" metic in Athens called "Melas" (almost like "The Negro"). A metic in Athenas is like the equivalent of being a green card holder in the U-Snakes

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